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I’ve always been fascinated by the concept of love — what it means to people and what it evokes in people and how it motivates people, like to follow a sports team or take up a new hobby or, like, move across the country!But getting your heart broken can motivate you too.It will be Esco’s first release since 2012’s Life Is Good and Minaj’s first since 2014’s The Pinkprint.

We got to talking, and it turned out she had just broken up with a guy she'd been dating for 10 years. She said the pain she felt was so, so bad, but also that that she felt safe telling me about it — because we didn’t really know each other.

I feel like people surrounding you can be very judgmental, even if they’re trying to be supportive.

You call your mom or your sister or your BFF [after a breakup] and they're like, "Well, you shouldn’t have dated that guy anyway. He's not good for you." And [someone you don’t know] can be this safe space — you can let it all out and it feels like there’s no consequences.

I'd heard this from people dealing with heartbreak before — I worked as a producer on for two years.

The thing that I struggle most with is the concept of saying goodbye. Obviously we all know that time is the ultimate healer.